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apd
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Posted - 09 Oct 2011 :  20:48:00  Show Profile  Edit Topic  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Topic
Step 1. Trust Alessio.

Step 2. [Maintenance] Movie ID Renumber (Delete Holes). Now all your entries after the first "hole" are renumbered. What you don't know is that all the relative images have now STOPPED being linked to their original entry.

Step 3. [Special Functions] Delete All Covers Not Linked to A Movie. All those covers are moved to the Backup folder.

Step 4. Empty the Backup folder to clean up space (who wants copies of thousands of 10-50 KB files on today's HD's?). Yes, you may believe that these are copied files, just like the name "BACKUP" implies, but NO! These are your original files.

Step 5. You can now kiss countless valuable hours of work goodbye (if you have not kept a decent backup yourselves).


BTW, The field "Cover" in the Files page, still refers to your now lost cover, to remind you what you lost. Therefore, the Meter for Covers does not update (it checks the entris and not the real missing files). And the Advanced Filter for Missing Covers also does not provide the correct output. So you have to go on manually. And if your movies are easily accessible in IMDB or Amazon etc, maybe you need just a few hours. But if you have hundrends of hand picked pics for obscure movies, then you're in for weeks of a real treat!

Edited by - apd on 09 Oct 2011 21:09:26

JDommi
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Posted - 09 Oct 2011 :  22:05:42  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Well, as far as I know only the Movie IDs will be affected and not the covers and the cover entries of each movie.
So the movies with new numbers still contain the correct cover names!
Maybe you should have started XMM again to show them correctly again.
Your step 3: I never have used it.
And by that way: the plugin "Cover Manager" has the ability to rename the covers and of course the db entries to fit the new Movie ID numbering.
And once again as special hint: Always keep a copy of you database before making general changes!

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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 :  08:23:51  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Hi JD. To the first 3 lines: No. What you suggest is maybe what should happen; but it doesn't.

As for Cover Manager I've been waiting for a long time Alessio to change the whole image management inside XMM.

I do have a backup; but in this case, it's not the Database that's missing, it's the contents of the Covers folder.
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JDommi
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 :  09:20:57  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Strange, the last time I tried to renumber the IDs it worked okay for me - but it's a long time ago.
All those covers are moved to the Backup folder. Move isn't copy
But indeed, that's really a sh*t to loose all covers! And the trashcan is already emptied, too?

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apd
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 :  13:41:07  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Exactly my point! The folder title "Backup" is misleading. It should be called "Reserve" or something like that.

Renumbering in itself works fine. But it doesn't take care of the pics associated with an entry. For example, Movie ID 31 becomes Movie ID 25, but the related cover remains 31-MovieName.Jpg, and therefore XMM now considers it "Not Liked to A Movie".
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apd
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  20:36:01  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
So, apparently Alessio doesn't find this important enough to address. It figures...
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JDommi
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Germany
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Posted - 31 Oct 2011 :  21:24:20  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Alessio has unfortunately very less time since monthes. So please be patient.
He surely will change something!

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Alessio Viti
Forum Admin

Italy
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Posted - 01 Nov 2011 :  09:57:06  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Hello Guys,

Sorry very much for my delay. I will take a look at the problem quickly.

I was really busy these days, this is why I haven't answer to forum, but I am always here

Ale

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NormalC
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Australia
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  04:56:37  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
I changed my hard drive and lost all my covers. They are there, in backup, but the Movie manager won't show them, and, it says my 1500 movies all have covers. I tried to update just the Covers, but not matter what I do the updater runs about 6 scripts and downloads dozens of covers for each movie. I only want 1 script and 1 cover per movie. The current update has taken over 12 hours to download covers for about 50 movies???

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JDommi
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Germany
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  09:25:59  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
1. Make a new folder
2. Copy the .mdb in that folder and rename it to XXX.mdb (where XXX can be any name).
3. Copy the backup of the cover into
4. You now have to rename the cover folder to XXX_cover (where XXX must be the same as the .mdb without the extension)
5. You need further the sub folders XXX_download, XXX_thumbs and XXX_photos (the photos are the pics of the actors)
6. Now start XMM and open the XMM.mdb
If you only copy the .mdb all the subfolders are created but without any content.

To remove all the unwanted scripts from updating use the plugin CleanScripts. You can chose which script you wanna use.

I hope this will help you...

*Edit*
About the time: if you use 6 scripts for download then it can be that XMM needs a lot of time. Escpecially if you use 6 times the imdb (complete) script without checking in the advanced script options that only the desired info shall be updated. That's a little like a sisyphean task but everytime XMM updates a script this option are changed back to the default values.

In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
Hermann Hesse

Edited by - JDommi on 03 Nov 2011 09:32:29
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NormalC
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 :  09:31:17  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Thank you. I will try that.

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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 :  11:29:18  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Well, yes, patience, but it's almost three months now, and still no decent answer from Ale...
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Alessio Viti
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Italy
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 :  12:01:45  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Hello APD,

I have read again the whole topic. When you do the MovieID Remumbering the Movie change the ID, thats true, but the variable "Cover", that contain the link to the first Cover File is not changed.

So, even if your old Movie ID 31 becomes Movie ID 25, the field cover should point to the right cover in any case.

Please take a look to Cover field for each entry, is this blank?

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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 :  15:17:34  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
No, it's not blank. As I said before: The field "Cover" in the Files page, still refers to your now lost cover


But when I used

[Special Functions] Delete All Covers Not Linked to A Movie

many files were moved to the Backup folder (which I then emptied).
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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 04 Dec 2011 :  19:53:46  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
So, another new version, and still no decent reply. It seems that cosmetic "improvemente" is all that is interesting for now...
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JDommi
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Germany
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Posted - 04 Dec 2011 :  20:48:53  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
I just have tested it with the example database (about 100 movies incl. episodes).
1. Removing some movies
2. Renumbering (removing gaps)
3. Testing: all movies show the correct covers (although movie number and the number in cover name aren't equal)

At this point it would be best to use the 3rd party CoverManager plugin to adjust movie number and number in cover name

By that way a question: do you have saved all covers with the same name convention?

Still to check (as I had to go to work):
- Adding new pictures to existing ones
- Cleaning unused covers

*EDIT*
- Adding new pics: ok
- Cleaning unused covers
- movies: ok
- TV shows: ok
- episodes: ok

Backup folder is identical to the cover folder!

What's strange is the message:
before cleaning 287 - after cleaning 1
Doing the cleaning a second time:
before cleaning 78 - after cleaning 1

But all pictures are still there (same as after the first cleaning)

So I really can't agree that there is a bug in this function.

In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
Hermann Hesse

Edited by - JDommi on 05 Dec 2011 11:52:26
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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  23:46:50  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
3. Testing: all movies show the correct covers (although movie number and the number in cover name aren't equal)

I've said four times already that XMM does not touch the names after renumbering. They remain as they were.
I have not tested the example DB. Have you checked there are no extra pics for each movie? Maybe one of many is deleted in each entry, therefore you get this message. Also, it might be possible that the bug appears in much bigger DBs, after a certain entry id.

By that way a question: do you have saved all covers with the same name convention?
I do not name the files myself. The script does it using ID and Title: ""305-The-400-million_1"



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JDommi
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  09:16:11  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
I will try it again with my own db tomorrow.

What do you mean with extra pics?
I have added extra movies and shows with different scripts for testing purposes. There are front covers (more than one), fanart pics and episode pics.

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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  13:57:51  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
I meant more than one pic per entry, so that if one was deleted it might not be noticed; so, you've got this covered.
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JDommi
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Germany
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Posted - 07 Dec 2011 :  08:08:08  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Okay, just proceeded the same steps as you with my database (1252 movie entries).
Before cleaning: 7531 pics
After cleaning: 6170 pics

To sum all up: all needed pics are still there and nothing is missing.

Seems that in your case something else causes the problem...

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apd
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Greece
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Posted - 08 Dec 2011 :  15:15:18  Show Profile  Edit Reply  Reply with Quote  View user's IP address  Delete Reply
Hi JD. Have you by any chance checked the covers folder before and after running "Delete All Covers Not Linked to A Movie"? I mean, the physical files, are they still the same number? And what's with the message XMM displays after "cleaning"?

I just did it again checking the covers folder. Physical contents is 6198 pix. Renumbering removes 103 entries, after Movie id 3000. I run "Delete All Covers Not Linked to A Movie" and XMM reports 6198 pix before and 5837 after. I now check the covers folder; it now contain 5837 files!!! The backup folder (which was empty) now features the original 6198 files.

Rechecking which files were deleted, I notice that most of them belong to the movies that became "holes" (this means that after I deleted them, their pix remained in the folder); but along with them, XMM removed also files that are used in entries that still exist...
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