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HaraldBluetooth
New Member
Denmark
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 Posted - 04 Dec 2013 : 01:04:31
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Running IMDB.COM (Complete) with 99 actors took 545 min (over 9 hours) for 68 movies, and when finished it took 12 min. with "Please wait - Saving database" before it finished. And many of the movies have less than 30 actors.
All with newest 8.1.3.0 version and latest IMDB script from yesterday. |
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Alessio Viti
Forum Admin
Italy
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Posted - 04 Dec 2013 : 06:40:31
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9 hours is really strange, really. Today I will make some tests again. The problem is indeed the script, IMDB make an high number of script "instructions" to download everything (you can check it in the advanced tab of the Download Monitor). Improve this will not be easy.
For every single actor the script open different webpages.
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HaraldBluetooth
New Member
Denmark
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Posted - 04 Dec 2013 : 13:40:42
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Yes in the future I will not take "Actors complete download", but sometimes I forget to change this, because the options are overwritten each time the script is updated.
For me it's enough to have a IMDB link in actors Webpage and the links to the actors movies in the database. Can you explain the strange behaviour, that sometimes when you
click on the link to actors webpage, it opens in an external Internet Explorer window and sometimes in the internal build-in IE browser window. But anyhow in the internal browser
it always pops up with a script error and when it's the external IE browser window, then when you close the window it pops up with a error window "Internet Explorer has stopped working".
By the way none of the IMDB scripts updates the following fields (not even Fege's latest 1.3.4 version):
Goofs, Trivia, A.K.A.S., Release Dates, Revenue and Movie Connections (maybe more fields).
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 09 Jan 2014 : 19:40:02
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For the script preferences maybe that will help you: http://www.binaryworks.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12153
The broken fields - these are all the old V7 custom fields... Ale seems to have made a mistake on them. He has made an option to import the data from an V7 database in the new fields and in the custom fields. I think in the beginning of V8 as there wasn't this option the scripts have imported all fields correctly. |
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 29 Jan 2014 : 23:18:48
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For me most important is performance on the basic functions.
OK I have a 'large' database 5300 movies and 73k actors records (I don't use these much so they are exactly as downloaded)
XMM7 start program 40 secs (too slow)
Convert to XMM8 (no actors) - no timings but pretty quick say <5 minutes? Certainly way faster than other functions!
XMM8 start program 30 secs (too slow) and remember its an empty actors database
Tried to download actors from internet as recommended but couldn't figure out how. So tried one movie and a complete update from IMDB. That took 2.25 minutes including 30 actors
6 movies took over 10 minutes (got bored so no exact time) including 102 actors
At that rate it will take 7 solid days of internet time to update my actors!!! Hardly practical.
OK its not a great PC (4GB core duo 2Ghz and 5MB internet line) but even so.
So my vote goes for getting the basics working at a decent speed. And for me, the basics are
Edit a record (Movie mainly) - 5 secs to load and 5 secs to save! Too slow
Add records from media (HDD) - works fine 3 movies < 3 secs.
Sadly the movies did not appear in the customer treeview but did appear in the main movie list - a minor irritation.
Update from the internet - way too slow. see details above.
And it needs to work for Movies, Series, Boxsets and other groupings
The basic displays, filters editing facilities of XMM7 were fine for me. But as someone else posted, I want functionality and process, not sexy displays - others will be different but without the basic functionality working we are all in trouble!!
So I would vote for spending a bit of time getting the major bugs out of XMM7 (i dont think there are very many - IIRC series and boxsets were a bit flakey) and the scripts back working. Then you can offer XMM7 as the main operational version while you do the redesign work on XMM8 to get the speed up to scratch.
Just my 10c
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Alessio Viti
Forum Admin
Italy
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Posted - 30 Jan 2014 : 11:30:42
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I completely agree with you about the importing speed...
The problem is that if you want ALL data, including awards, pictures, fanarts, Movie Connectionsetc... thats normal that the script take so long to download and process the data.
I suggest you to use THEMOVIEDB script... you will have a big increase in speed download (of course you have to say goodbye to awards and movie connections.
If you take a look to Awards and Movie Connections you will see a huge quantity of data...
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Mawu
Senior Member
Germany
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Posted - 30 Jan 2014 : 19:18:21
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you have to say goodbye to awards and movie connections
How can I say "Hello" to the movie connections? This doesn't work for me even with the newest script.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 01 Feb 2014 : 11:36:00
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Importing Stuff
Yes indeed and I do not want a lot of this stuff.
- Movie connections; I tried setting this to 0 some time ago (in XMM7) and it didn't work. To be honest I had forgotten you could do that so I'll try again
- Awards: yes it can be a lot of information but most movies don't get awards!! I would only really care about Movie awards (as opposed to actor, lighting director or even script editor) so options for
- exclude nominations
- exclude technical awards (script, lighting, casting, etc)
- exclude actors
- major awards only (Oscars, BAFTA, Golden Globes etc)
would be a great help
Looking at the script options, many are unclear. taking IMBD complete for example
- Complete Import - How does this relate to awards? If awards is yes but complete import is main page only, does it just enter the summary from the main page or the detail or nothing or what?
- Movie Compete, Main Page only. Does this override all other settings that might require visiting another page
- Actors Complete Download. What information is taken when you select 'do not take all actor information'
- Movie awards - see above
I have no doubt my perception of the program would be improved if I understood more about the options but documentation is sadly lacking and I am therefore a big supporter of the documentation project. especially if it concentrates on the options people might want to change.
But I still don't like XMM8 because it is too slow (maybe the above will help) and I cannot even see let alone access fields I want in the quick edit feature (which also has what appears to be random use of bold and different font sizes for the data. Its for editing, just display the data in a standard font).
Specifically I cant see - The file names
- The actors (crew in XMM7)
- The main page does not show 'seen', genre stuff.
- Awards number field does not seem to fit;
- Media does not contain the contents of the old media field e.g. Divx;
- The plot has been moved elsewhere. If there is one thing you want on the main page its the plot, what it is all about!
- The media tab is virtually empty Codec, Bitrate, Resolution etc etc did not get converted across from XMM7
- and so on
Sorry to go on so, but after nearly a year of XMM8, it still does not do all that XMM7 did.
So if I can add support for HaraldBluetooth (I'd love to see him smile :-) ), I agree entirely with
1. Quickedit. Default view MUST contain all fields sensibly laid out
2. Of no interest to me
3. Yes Yes Yes. But you would make life easier for yourselves if you made it clear how people can improve speed by getting only stuff they want. (I suspect most like me get everything) So set default script setting for the best combination of what people want and what is speedy. for example in IMDB - take main page only)
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
6. Yes Yes Yes. people are much happier with stuff that works than the "promised land" that doesn't.
But thanks for all your hard work and good luck.
TFAI
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 01 Feb 2014 : 12:21:38
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I fully agree with all your points.
It's killing that after more than a year release 8 is still such an area needing improvement.
The big problem is that Ale is the only programmer and that he is really busy at his job and family. But you all know that real life is always the most important. So we all give him more time - as difficult and nerving that can be!
The only thing that I am really mad about is that there is still no bug tracker so that every user can see what's still broken or missing. And of course that the reported bugs will not be forgotten in the tangled mass. I have reported myself a lot of bugs of which I already have forgotten more than the half.
To the documentation: Ale and me have begun with that documentation on the new wiki site. But that needs a lot of time.
Ale should concentrate on programming.
And for me some functions were never important or needed, so on that I really cannot explain them. Additionally there are things that for me seem to be so clear that they don't need explanation - such as the script options. The more info you want to get the more time you'll need.
I think you should make a list of what should be explained. Beside that you can write about something yourself that you find interesting to share with other users or about the questions that are asked for in the forum. |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Mawu
Senior Member
Germany
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Posted - 01 Feb 2014 : 15:51:19
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The only thing that I am really mad about is that there is still no bug tracker so that every user can see what's still broken or missing. And of course that the reported bugs will not be forgotten in the tangled mass. I have reported myself a lot of bugs of which I already have forgotten more than the half.
I'm missing a clear statement if Alessio actually wants a bugtracker or not. You can't force a programer to do things he doesn't want. |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 01 Feb 2014 : 17:24:48
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In general he isn't against one. I think it's the right software and the administration.
But you're right, there is no clear statement from Ale. |
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 02 Feb 2014 : 23:15:56
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Bug tracker is critical for those who have to fix things. It is also critical so we can 'agree' if a bug is critical or not. IMHO far too much time is spent providing features that very few people want. I understand why - its much more fun creating new stuff than making old stuff work but for users it is mostly the other way round.
Since we are unlikely to get a bug tracker can we at least have some idea of when the major broken things are going to be mended.
And its not too bad. If I take Harold's list and rate them
1 critical 5 does not matter) I think
1. Default quick edit view to contain all fields - 1
2. A fancy theater mode a la the StreamedMP skin - 4
3. Speed!Speed!Speed! - 3
4. scripts must work on the core information (IMDB main page) - 1
most information - 3
5. Full unicode support for all characters in all languages, - 2 (major western languages)
6 (My addition) core features to work on all types of data (series, Box sets, movies)
So for me the two critical things are Quick edit all fields (otherwise how to I change the data!!),l scripts (core data)
And then I can live with it PROVIDED there is a sensible list and timescale for future work
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"In order to achieve anything you must first have a plan"
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"If you are failing to plan, you are planning to fail.” |
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Edited by - Rincewindwiz on 02 Feb 2014 23:20:00 |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 02 Feb 2014 : 23:47:02
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Well, I never have used the Quickedit. A doubleclick to edit the movie is enough for me as I rarely modify or add data.
Therefor I don't wanna give values of what to do first. But the main bugs in XMM should have priority before adding more features. |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 09 Feb 2014 : 21:27:43
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Interesting - we all like different things and in many ways its XMM strength (lots of different ways) and weakenss (they all have to work!). I use quick edit because
- its there
- it shows, in groupings that I find useful, all the information in the database
- I positively hate the 'pretty' html presentation because the presentation obscures the data. Personally, I don't care if it looks pretty (multiple fonts, pictures, italics etc etc), I just want XMM to give me the bl***y information - preferably today rather than tomorrow!
And I find I have to edit data quite a lot mostly when a script has picked up the wrong movie and loaded the data without giving me the option!!
But all this is irrelevant without some policy statement from Ale.
From my perspective, either I get some idea of when the product will be usable (in that it has no significant bugs) and works at a sensible speed (v7 speed will just about do) otherwise I have to go elsewhere. The quickest approach must be to fix v7 while working on v8 because v7 mostly works and at a sensible speed (not lightning, just sensible v7 was jut about OK).
I've been hanging in with v7 in the hope of a working version 8 but the v7 scripts simply don't work properly any more.
And I said most of this in a post over a year ago but nothing changes.
So Ale, what is the plan?
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 10 Mar 2014 : 07:51:32
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Hhhmmm - gone very quiet.
Seems we don't have a plan. That is a shame 'cos its a decent product at heart. |
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JDommi
Administrator
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Posted - 10 Mar 2014 : 09:24:01
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We'll cross that bridge when Ale comes to it. |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 17 Apr 2014 : 02:08:46
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| . . . . . if Ale comes to it!! |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 17 Apr 2014 : 10:22:07
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In the middle of the last week Ale has arrived back from holidays. I think now he soon will release a new update  |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Alessio Viti
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Italy
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Mawu
Senior Member
Germany
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Posted - 19 Apr 2014 : 14:02:28
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***Bump***
And what are your plans? |
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XMM 8 development and future