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apd
Junior Member
Greece
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 Posted - 30 Jun 2016 : 19:36:28
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It's been a while since I made some comments on v.8.2.4 here: www.binaryworks.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=12271&SearchTerms=v8
It's been even more since I made other suggestions that (I think) would improve the workflow.
Waiting, I kept working with v7, for two reasons:
1. Importing from IMDB was better (and at least I could see the titles in the MS window)
2. Editing was much faster.
Since then, 2,5 years have passed, and almost none of the suggestions I made back then were implemented. Most importantly, in v9 we still have very limited right click functionality (compared to v7); and the non customizable Edit window makes editing very very slow. To give an example: For a simple task like setting subtitles, I need to open the Add/Edit, click audio and select from the list - when in v7 I had the proper box in my first Edit tab and just clicked once.
The worst of all, of course, is that, without unicode, scraping IMDb is useless for me in v9 as in v8. Names with special characters are truncated, and even the MS engin window shows illegible garbage when I have to select the proper film. I've even tried VPN but it's not practical.
So where does that get me? XMM is still promising, as it was more than 12 years ago, when I bought it. But versions 8-9, even though more beautiful, have made it worse (for me, at least) than it v7. It seems my only option is to keep working in v7, waiting for the script function to die completely - not an option, really. And seeing that, after so long, none of the suggestions I made were considered, I'm afraid that, hard as it is, it's time I started looking elsewhere.
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 30 Jun 2016 : 20:24:05
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Alessio Viti
Forum Admin
Italy
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Posted - 04 Jul 2016 : 08:48:57
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Hello Apd,
I am sorry, as you know I try to do my best for XMM, but for some people is not enough.
I will keep programming, hoping that will became better and better in future.
Some changes you ask are simply too hard to develop, this is why I postponed it.
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 04 Jul 2016 : 12:32:59
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Would be great if you could write a list of what you are still going to do.
Nobody knows what will be the future of XMM - especially as you are really rare answering in the forum.
We all know that you have little time but keeping an eye on the forum should be more than one time per quarter of the year... |
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music4al
Starting Member
Canada
33 Posts |
Posted - 01 Aug 2016 : 17:17:57
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| Same here, I keep putting my data in Version 7 and then exporting to Version 8 and now Version 9. I keep waiting for Version 8/9 to show some improvement however, it's getting more complicated, I understand the need for more catagories and fields but editing a file is now complicated and crap, The delete button is an accident waiting to happen, it should be in the tools section,it's too easy to accidentally hit it and if your not paying attention (ie lots of late night entering of data, you could wipe out your collection) and since your delete of files wipes the data from your drive there is no recovery...it should put it in the trash where you have the second opportunity to recover or delete. If you make a change in the database why can't it save the changes when you click next, making a whole bunch of changes and then having to click OK to save them, again spells of disaster. And lastly for now the covers manager, why can't you be able to easily choose front and back, all you need is two buttons or a drop down, if you want to add more, then get into full edit mode. |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 01 Aug 2016 : 17:21:02
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
105 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2016 : 09:06:53
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And there I was thinking I was alone in my dislike for v8 (I haven't been here for a year so I have no idea about v9).
I recall a rant a couple of years ago when I suggested v7 was a great product which just needed the bugs fixing so what was the point of a bug ridden v8 that did little that anyone actually wanted.
I've tried to convert v7 to v8 and that was a disaster. I posted here and got little or no help at all - probably because I was rude about v8!!. So I too struggle on with V7. The only real pain is the import from IMDB which does not import pictures and occasionally gets the movie wrong. (Maybe this winter I'll take a look at the detailed workings of the scraping process and see if I can fix it. Shame there is no documentation!!)
Other than the import, it does the basics just fine and that is all I really care about.
Surely functionality that works efficiently is more important than sexy looks that do not work efficiently (or at all)?
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
4653 Posts |
Posted - 14 Oct 2016 : 14:57:01
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You can think what you want about V8/9 - anyway both releases have their pros and contras.
For me the conversion from 7 to 8 was not a disaster but I had to re-import all actors again, as suggested by Ale.
That you didn't get help I can't really say much to as I'm meanwhile feeling lonesome in answering questions...
IMDB: they have changed their site layout meanwhile a lot of times and as V7 is no longer supported these scripts are out-of-date, too.
The new script release of course takes all info/pics. It's not very difficult to still use it in XMM7 except for the changes in database layout (new fields!). |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Mawu
Senior Member
Germany
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Posted - 14 Oct 2016 : 23:17:27
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I was one of the harshest critics of xMM8 (the very first versions were really a desaster) but meanwhile (to be more precise: since the last 1 1/2 years) I recommend to switch to xMM9. Development is very very slow at the moment but for me most (not all!) severe bugs and glitches are fixed and the program is at least as stable as xMM7. As far as xMM7 is concened: there is no support anymore and some parts of the program are no longer up to date. On the other hand JDommi does a fantastic job concerning scripts and movie cards for xMM8/9 and from time to time there is also a new version of the main program.
Switching from xMM7 to xMM8 causes no problems as I imported all crew & actors data new. It's also useful to read the movie files again. Only the editing of the extended data fields was a little bit time consuming (but that's my own fault as this data new fields based upon my own feature requests  )
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 08:58:03
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Thanks Mawu - I have a day spare so maybe I'll start up V9 and import the data from V7 - I presume I can still import from V7 to V9? Since v8 does not appear on the download page, if I cannot import from v7 to v9 I am really stuffed.
Actually looking at actors below maybe a week will be required!!
Jdommi: I tried importing to v8 and I tried to import actors (as suggested) but I could not find any means of importing just actors.
Then you responded ( http://www.binaryworks.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10879&SearchTerms=a )that it took 15 - 20 hours to import 20,000 actors.. At the last look I had 95,000 actors in my database so I need to take about 90 hours to import them!!!!
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
4653 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 09:44:21
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Popup menu on the movie(s) in the Grid -> Tools -> Re-import all actors.
To the importing time: I have now limited the actors to 12 (formerly the standard 99) and I have deselected the actor's filmography and awards.
This will decrease the time significantly. Beside that Ale seems to have optimized some internal code for a further speed-up.
If the new release have an import of XMM7? I don't know but I think that function isn't there anymore. You can install at first a V8 release: http://www.binaryworks.it/download.asp?file=extrememm9.0.0.7.exe - just replace the release number by an old one.
As there were some changes in the database structure/fields I always would say that it's best to re-import the whole database once again.
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Try it with http://www.binaryworks.it/download.asp?file=extrememm8.4.9.0.exe |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
105 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 13:35:14
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OK So I have had a go at converting to V9.
On the second attempt all the data seems to have been copied to v9 (first attempt produced just the movies and no data. No idea why)!
I add catalogue number to the tree view (for me the second most important field to view by) and I lose the treeview by Alphabetic (the most important field to view by) This was reported 2 years ago (http://www.binaryworks.it/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14151&SearchTerms=a)
How do I get Alphabetic tree view back? (Adding title as a custom treeview is a poor substitite)
OH - finally, It is now hidden under "Special filters"!! So the question is How to get Alphabetic back to a top level item and not have it hidden under special filters?
MagicScript:
where have the Update from the Web icons/options gone?
When I update (IMDB Full) it searchs for the movie despite having the IMDB link on the file. Where can I tell it to take the existing link?
Director and Producer dont seem to be in Quickedit view?
No option to import the movies that have not been imported?
Not all(about 250 missing) the covers have come across. I have not done a count but . . . . . Worse, I cant get covers manager to import a cover from the clipboard to fill in the missing covers. I did the following
I copy a cover into Word as a picture
I copy the Word picture and try 'copy from clipboard' in covers manager. Nothing
I do Ctrl-V in word and a copy appears. How to I get missing covers into XMM9
Oh wonderful. Seems I can import into back cover but not into front cover!!! But it seems I cant then move it |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
4653 Posts |
Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 14:13:50
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I add catalogue number to the tree view (for me the second most important field to view by) and I lose the treeview by Alphabetic (the most important field to view by)
Clicking on any column header sorts by that column
Movies -> Special Filters -> Alphabetical
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where have the Update from the Web icons/options gone?
(Multi)select in the grid -> Popup menu -> Update, etc.
Doubleclick to edit a movie -> on the bottom of that window
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When I update (IMDB Full) it searchs for the movie despite having the IMDB link on the file. Where can I tell it to take the existing link?
For me the IMDB link is taken for the search. Maybe it's because release 7 has stored the IMDB link in custom 8. Now there is a special field for it.
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Director and Producer dont seem to be in Quickedit view?
Correct. All people info are no longer available in the QuickEdit.
Don't ask me why...
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No option to import the movies that have not been imported?
TreeView -> Movies -> Webimported
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In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 19:23:27
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Thanks. Helpful
Anyway to get Alphabetic back on the top level of treeview?
IMDB Link. So if I use Access to copy IMBD link to the new field (what is it called?) it will then pick it up? Or do I have to set webimported as well?
its just that if I am gpoing to have to update everything from teh web again I really dont want it stopping every few titles because it is not sure of the webline |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
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Posted - 17 Oct 2016 : 19:57:20
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Unfortunately you can't move the TreeView entries.
During conversion from V7 to V8 there was an option to copy the custom fields to the new fields like "Custom8" to "IMDB-Link".
Webimported is not needed to be changed. And once the link is present you don't need to select a title manually. |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
105 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2016 : 12:45:40
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Treeview. When the initial conversion was done, the treeview showed the Alphabetic list at the top level.
Then when I added Catalogue number it disappeared from the top level.
I'd be happy to redo the conversion if there was a way of adding catalogue number without losing alphabetic from the top level. How do I do this?
In fact I may just do that to get imdb reference into the right place
How do I redo the conversion? Do I have to uninstall or can I just delete the database or what? |
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Edited by - Rincewindwiz on 19 Oct 2016 12:46:27 |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
4653 Posts |
Posted - 19 Oct 2016 : 13:00:04
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Just re-open the old database. It's still existing! To be on the safe side delete the converted one before because of the name.
To your problem with the catalgue number: I'm innocent as a baby 
I'm really rare having a look at the TreeView and I never have recognized that the order was modified...
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Have a look at the Options -> TreeView. Here you can set what you want to have there. Maybe you can change the order, too. |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
Hermann Hesse |
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
105 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 19:47:09
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Well I am making some sort of progress.
For some reason 338 movies never had the IMDB link copied across - but a quick fiddle with Access fixed that.
Now, as all the movies are marked as Web Imported, how do I control the process of updating the actor information? Do I have to mark them all as 'Not web imported' (Access query again) or is there a better way? (Problem being that it will take several days or even weeks) so I need to know which ones have been updated to avoid doing them again.
And where has the 'Files' information disappeared to?
When, as happens, the web import gets the wrong movie and screws up the title the only way I know to identify the record is by the fail names that were imported. But they are nowhere to be found. This is supposed to be software to manage a movie collection. How can it do that if it does not keep track of the file or directory names!!!
Is there some way to add a tab to the quickedit display? |
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Edited by - Rincewindwiz on 20 Oct 2016 20:01:34 |
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JDommi
Administrator
Germany
4653 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 19:54:26
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Easiest way is to remove all actors and select out of the grid all movies. Now right click on Tools -> Import all Actors of the movie.
Or just clear all Actors info and re-update all movies again without overwriting existing data. |
In order to achieve what is possible, you have to try the impossible over and over again.
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
105 Posts |
Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 20:02:02
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Wow that was quick. Thanks But in case you missed the edit . . .
And where has the 'Files' information disappeared to?
When, as happens, the web import gets the wrong movie and screws up the title the only way I know to identify the record is by the fail names that were imported. But they are nowhere to be found. This is supposed to be software to manage a movie collection. How can it do that if it does not keep track of the file or directory names!!!
Is there some way to add a tab to the quickedit display?
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Rincewindwiz
Junior Member
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Posted - 20 Oct 2016 : 20:07:35
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So I can find tools-Remove all people (which presumably gets rid of the actors) but there is no Tools->Import All Actors that I can find.
If I try to import the whole movie it seems to do around 20 movies an hour. There are around 6000 movies on the database so that's 2 weeks continuous importing!!! |
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